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Retaliation - the instigator always seems to get off lightly

Postby exwasp » Sun Feb 07 2010, 20:42

Just interested in a comment from some refs really on a point that always bugs me.

Watching EG v Shoreham yesterday there was an incident (right in front of me) when an EG forward layed the ball off and then tried to get beyond the Shoreham defender to get it back. The Shoreham defender was not the last man but knew he was in trouble and grabbed the forwards' shirt/arm and anything else he could get hold of to prevent him. The EG player lashed out (looked like he threw a punch) at the defender in frustration. As the defender went down he kicked out at the EG player who responded by kicking him back badly in the head.

I'm not convinced any of the officials saw the whole incident as it was away from the ball but after a bit of consultation among all 3 they sent the EG player off - perhaps convinced he must have done something by the fact the Shoreham player was in obvious pain on the ground.

My point here is that the red card to the EG player was absolutey deserved. His reaction was about as obvious a case of violent conduct you will see and he could have seriously hurt the Shoreham guy. What was surprising though was that no action whatsoever was taken against the Shoreham player - and the game was restarted, I think, with a Shoreham free-kick. This suggests to me that the officials didn't really see what happened.

I have a couple of points for referees to perhaps comment on.
- If the first foul was committed by the Shoreham player. Regardless of what the EG player then did, should it not have re-started with an EG free kick?
- Why is it so common that the player who commits the first foul - in this case blatently pulling the forward back , always seems to get off lightly compared to the player who retaliates. The Shoreham player should have got at least a yellow card and arguably a red as he also kicked out , even if what the EG player did was worse. It just frustrates me that the instigator in these type of incidents always seems to get a lesser punishment than the 'wronged' player who then retaliates.
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Re: Retaliation - the instigator always seems to get off lightly

Postby Gareth D » Wed Feb 10 2010, 11:31

Did the official blow up for the original foul ? If so then you are correct the game should have restarted with a EG free kick.

I would suggest that whilst the original foul should be punished, you must understand that retaliation is a more serious offence (and kicking out at someone is a red card offence)

I can't comment as to the incident you mention as I wasn't there, but if your description of the events is correct then I suggest both players should have been sent from the field of play for violent conduct.
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Re: Retaliation - the instigator always seems to get off lightly

Postby exwasp » Wed Feb 10 2010, 17:42

Good point - he didn't blow up for the original offence as it was off the ball and i don't think he saw it.

I'm not convinced any of the officials saw the whole incident and if the assistant ref only caught the very end of it then it may explain why the EG player was sent off with no punishment for the defender.

No arguement at all about the red card - they played much better in 2nd half with 10 men anyway. My main point was that the original 'offender' got off scott free, which often seems to be the case. Perhaps the explanation is that the officials often miss the original incident but usually see the 'afters'.
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Re: Retaliation - the instigator always seems to get off lightly

Postby The Man In Black » Mon Feb 22 2010, 20:52

Like gareth stated if the referee had seen the original offence im sure he would have stopped play thus preventing (hopefully) any retaliation. the problem we face is that ,as you mention play had progressed and the retaliation occured while the referee was following play. the only person then in a position to see anyhting would be the assistant. Any punch or kick wether it makes contact or not is violent conduct and punishable by a straight red card on the flip side had the referee deemed that a goal scoring opportunity had been denied then this also would have been punishable by a red card to me it would appear the referee felt no foul was origianlly committed but the retaliation was extreme enough to warrant a red. I have on many occasion sent two players off for similair things but you cannot send a player off for something you dont see.
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