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The Tye
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Posted: Mon Oct 01 2007, 10:17 Post subject: Sending Off
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Can someone clarify something for me please???
When sending off a player from the field of play, in County League football, are players allowed to watch the remainder of the game, be it showered or not, from within the spectators section i.e in a stand or watching leaning against the pitch perimeter fencing???
And with this in mind? what is the situation for park football?
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stringz
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Posted: Mon Oct 01 2007, 16:34 Post subject:
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Mitchell
If a player is sent off must not take any further part in the game i.e. he must return to the dressing room etc. In an enclosed ground this is easy. He may return to the ground but as a spectator only. In the event that he causes further disruption, which is noted by the match officials, they can take one of two actions, report any further misconduct under failure of a club to control spectators or abandon the match. Both have very serious consequences. I would suggest that if a probelm has occured the referee could be proactive and advise club officials of these actions and let them deal with the transgressor.
Much harder on park pitches as they are public spaces and no such authority exists. However, both sitiuations above apply and the consequences no less serious, but here the ref is on his own with the other ensuing issues.
I assume that an incident has occured and you need some clarification.
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The Tye
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Posted: Tue Oct 02 2007, 10:05 Post subject:
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stringz wrote: |
Mitchell
If a player is sent off must not take any further part in the game i.e. he must return to the dressing room etc. In an enclosed ground this is easy. He may return to the ground but as a spectator only. In the event that he causes further disruption, which is noted by the match officials, they can take one of two actions, report any further misconduct under failure of a club to control spectators or abandon the match. Both have very serious consequences. I would suggest that if a probelm has occured the referee could be proactive and advise club officials of these actions and let them deal with the transgressor.
Much harder on park pitches as they are public spaces and no such authority exists. However, both sitiuations above apply and the consequences no less serious, but here the ref is on his own with the other ensuing issues.
I assume that an incident has occured and you need some clarification. |
First of all, Mitchell??? Who?
Second, the incident that occured was the at a public playing field, a referee sent 3 players from the field of play, but considering the changing rooms are a considerable walk from the pitch, and the fact their team were down to 8 men (plus they only took 11 to the game), they refused to leave the pitchside, even though they had put tracksuit tops on.
The Referee abandoned the game with the score 0-0 after 33 mins, and before anyone asks, no this didnt happen to me!
Im just curious as to what is the official stance on this, and/or what would you have done? for clarity, the 3 sendings off were in this order...
1. Player 1 Yellow Card (Dissent)
2. Player 2 Yellow Card (Dissent)
3. Player 3 Red Card (Foul & Abusive Language)
4. Player 1 2nd Yellow Card (Dissent)
5. Player 2 2nd Yellow Card (Dissent)
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stringz
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Posted: Tue Oct 02 2007, 13:24 Post subject:
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The Tye wrote: |
stringz wrote: |
Mitchell
If a player is sent off must not take any further part in the game i.e. he must return to the dressing room etc. In an enclosed ground this is easy. He may return to the ground but as a spectator only. In the event that he causes further disruption, which is noted by the match officials, they can take one of two actions, report any further misconduct under failure of a club to control spectators or abandon the match. Both have very serious consequences. I would suggest that if a probelm has occured the referee could be proactive and advise club officials of these actions and let them deal with the transgressor.
Much harder on park pitches as they are public spaces and no such authority exists. However, both sitiuations above apply and the consequences no less serious, but here the ref is on his own with the other ensuing issues.
I assume that an incident has occured and you need some clarification. |
First of all, Mitchell??? Who?
Second, the incident that occured was the at a public playing field, a referee sent 3 players from the field of play, but considering the changing rooms are a considerable walk from the pitch, and the fact their team were down to 8 men (plus they only took 11 to the game), they refused to leave the pitchside, even though they had put tracksuit tops on.
The Referee abandoned the game with the score 0-0 after 33 mins, and before anyone asks, no this didnt happen to me!
Im just curious as to what is the official stance on this, and/or what would you have done? for clarity, the 3 sendings off were in this order...
1. Player 1 Yellow Card (Dissent)
2. Player 2 Yellow Card (Dissent)
3. Player 3 Red Card (Foul & Abusive Language)
4. Player 1 2nd Yellow Card (Dissent)
5. Player 2 2nd Yellow Card (Dissent)
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Tye
I will not and would not try to second guess a referees decision and the reasons why he took them. All I can say is that if he felt that there were circumstances that he felt warranted his actions, than he is perfectly entitlled to do so. The onus falls very much on the clubs in this situation to deal with it in the correct manner. As I stated the consequenses are very serious and the County FA take a very dim view when dealing with this.
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seafordtillidie
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Posted: Tue Oct 02 2007, 15:04 Post subject:
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By staying at pitchside, are the players deemed to have failed to leave the pitch having been sent off?
By what you say in your original answer, they should at least have gone back to the dressing room.
I still see a considerable problem for all three players and the club, having forced the referee to abandon the game.
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stringz
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Posted: Wed Oct 03 2007, 16:33 Post subject:
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That is true for an enclosed ground, but more difficult enforce on a park pitch. Usually a player who is sent of hangs about without causing to much trouble, if any. Equally, if you have sent players of for fighting (on park pitches) it is sometimes an idea to keep an eye on them, more often than not they are on opposite touchlines and you are in control. Rather than send them to the dresing room were all kinds of c**p can occur.
I would surmise from the original post that there was further problems and the referee took the only course of action open to him.
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The Tye
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Posted: Thu Oct 04 2007, 08:48 Post subject:
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From his report given to the referee secretary and the sussex fa, there was no further trouble, just that the players refused to leave the area, the changing rooms at hampden park sports centre are not exactly close to the pitch, and considering the team were 30 miles from home, its not as though they could just go!
I firmly beleive that a bit of common sense could have prevailed here, the ref asking the 3 players to get changed into a tracksuit top(which they did) and just keep an eye on them, with any further problems resulting in an abandonment.
My personal opinion is that the referee got intimidated by the 3 players who he sent off, didnt fancy to continue the game with those 3 on the sidelines, who were already upset, possibly getting further upset! so he decided to call the game! will certainly be interested to see the outcome of this one!
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